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Oct. 27, 2020

Genesis Bonus Episode - Bible Study for Atheists

Genesis Bonus Episode - Bible Study for Atheists
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Husband and Wife cover a brief summary of the Book of Genesis and perform fairly well on a quiz. Then learn that Nimrod was very likely Gilgamesh, and that he was pretty much a douchebag. Husband falls asleep. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/sacrilegious-discourse/message

Transcript
hey you welcome to sacrilegious discourse i'm husband i'm wife and together we're reading the bible
starting with genesis and eventually ending with revelations we're working through every book and offering our
atheist two cents four shekels yeah those we're asking questions and pointing out
all the nonsense we aren't academics or scholars nope in fact when it comes to religion we really don't know anything
at all what we've learned so far is that god's a dick oh he really is isn't he if
you're interested in how we reached this startling conclusion maybe start from episode one otherwise jump in anywhere
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husband yes wife do you remember what happened last time we completed genesis
we did we completed the book of genesis that was pretty cool so what are we doing today um
we are doing a bonus episode i think we are and in that bonus episode we're going to
do a pop quiz to see how much we remember and also i've dug up some info on nimrod
for you right nimrod but you can go ahead and put me down for an f on the pop quiz yeah me too probably
all right let's go do this okay
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[Music] hey yeah so just in case we forgot what happened
in genesis you know i did right here is a very very very brief and
quick and not at all helpful summary of the entire book of genesis okay okay
doesn't does it go like rape rape death um oh wait no no it started um death
death death rape break break break rape rape you left incest out and then joseph
full of slavery oh yeah that too yeah okay yeah no this is from spark notes
ready okay genesis the first book of the bible opens with god's creation of the world
the perfect world falls into evil when humans disobey god and the human population divides into separate nations
and languages after many generations god speaks to a man named abraham god makes a promise or
covenant with abraham to make his descendants into a great nation and to give them a great land
abraham shows strong faith in god and god seals his promise with a number of signs and tests this special covenant
with god passes on to abraham's son isaac and to his grandson jacob together they represent the patriarchs or fathers
of the israelite people jacob's twelve sons moved to egypt after the youngest brother joseph miraculously becomes a
high official in egypt that leaves out so much so much
but i thought it was a fun summary of the whole thing the bible probably would have looked better if they would have
gone with something like that right right that's what i was thinking okay so do you remember better now
everything that happened sure i don't here we go with the pop quiz okay okay
and i don't have the answers like the answers are like i don't have access to them so i'm being quizzed along with you
okay okay all right genesis begins with the story of creation which is the correct order of creation according to
genesis this multiple choice yeah okay light sky birds and fish animals and man earth
implants or heavenly and heavenly lights no light sky birds and fish earth and
plants heavenly lights animals and man maybe maybe
light sky earth implants heavenly lights birds and fish animals and man
too okay here's the last one okay light heavenly lights sky birds and fish earth
and plants animals and man i'll be honest my brain can't follow there's too many right i'm gonna go with option
number three though okay we'll find out after we're done how we did we gotta wait till we're done yeah
okay okay number two god created adam first then eve to be his wife and helper how
was eve the first woman created a god created her from the ground of the
clay nope from the clay of the ground not the ground of the clay god created her from one of adam's ribs
yeah yeah adam wished for a helper and god sent eve into the garden of eden incorrect
the serpent created her and filled her with evil thoughts that'd be really fun but no i know so it's b that's b okay
i mean that's what i would guess too right god placed adam and eve in the garden of eden and told them they could
eat of anything except one forbidden fruit which fruit did god tell adam and eve they must not eat
a this is such a difficult question right right a from the apple tree b
fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden c fruit from the pomegranate tree
d fermented grapes from the vine oh fermented grapes from the vine no
no it's the apple the bee the middle of the garden isn't it no it's the apple tree no it was from the tree in the
middle of the garden okay i think well then let's go with it okay why is there a thing though about
eating apples then i don't know okay i okay
of course they ate the forbidden fruit anyway for berber i'm having problems
number four of course they ate the forbidden fruit anyway what was eve's excuse when confronted by god
a the serpent deceived me and i ate yeah b my husband gave me some fruit
from the tree and i ate it no no that was adam's excuse right
see the devil made me do it that's humanity's excuse exactly d the serpent promised me knowledge of
good and evil if i ate i think it was the first one deceived i think so too
but the last one is true that is what happened but um she was deceived yeah i think she said i
was deceived five god was angry when he found out adam and
eve had eaten the forbidden fruit and he drove them out of the garden of eden how did god make sure they would not
return and eat from the tree of life a he built a tall wall around the garden
b he drove adam and eve so far away that they could never find their way back
c he placed a curse on the garden so that anyone who entered would surely die
d he plays cherubim and a flaming sword to guard the way that one that one
because we watched the show lucifer well and you know we read genesis oh yeah that too
adam and eve had sons cain and abel each brother gave god an offering from the
fruits of his labor god looked with favor on abel's offering but not on cain's as a result cain became jealous
and murdered his brother abel what was cain's occupation i believe he was a shepherd wasn't he i
think so the choices are farmer hunter goat keeper shepherd shepherd shepherd
seven what was cain's punishment for the murder of abel a he was put to death
no no b he was banished to the land of canaan it was banished to somewhere but
i don't think it was the land of canaan maybe it was i don't know c he was banned from his occupation and
made a restless wanderer on the earth that might be true i think that was it he was banned from the garden of eden no
he was never in the garden i'm gonna go with option c there same same
number eight after many years the people of earth became corrupt and full of violence of all the people on earth only
noah and his family were righteous so god said to noah i'm going to put an end to all people for the earth is filled
with violence because of them noah had three sons which one of these was not one of his sons oh i'm so bad at
these what oh i'm gonna give you four names and you tell me which one is not his son okay
all right enos japheth ham it was the first one enos are you sure
yeah okay because i remember the other ones well i know him and shem are his sons i just i for some reason
i thought jf okay whatever i'm almost certain i'm going with you on that one i don't know
number nine god decided to flood the whole earth and told noah to build an ark of wood to hold himself that dick
to hold himself his wife his sons and their wives he was also to take a pair
male and female of each animal on the ark to save them from the flood and repopulate the earth how many decks did
the ark have oh [ __ ] yeah i don't remember that i don't i don't remember that at all
two three four and seven let's go with seven yeah let's do because i mean to
hold all the animals come on yeah i have seven backs right i have no idea and they like seven three well they like
three two so maybe it's probably three or seven you want to go seven or three seven okay
number ten many men settled on a plane in shinar and said to each other come let's make
bricks and bake them thoroughly and let us build ourselves a city with a tower that reaches to the heavens so that we
may make a name for ourselves so they began constructing the tower of babel however god was not pleased with
these arrogant men who wanted to build a tower to heaven and be like gods themselves
what did god do to punish them he scattered them all and made them talk
different languages and [ __ ] i know right yeah okay let's see which of the choices that matches
a he destroyed the city in a storm of fire and brimstone b he confused their language and
scattered them over the face of the earth that one c he destroyed the tower with a
tremendous bolt of lightning d he sent a plague of locusts into the city no it was b it was b
okay let's see how we did oh we got to find out now yeah we got number one correct genesis begins with a
story of creation which is the correct order of creation according to genesis
light sky earth and plants heavenly lights birds and fish animals and men
okay yay number two we got this one right adam i'm sorry god created adam first then
eve to be his wife and helper how was eve the first woman created he god created her from one of adam's
ribs awesome yay number three we got correct wow we're doing good we're doing so good god placed adam and eve in the
garden of eden and told them that they could eat of anything except one forbidden fruit which fruit did god tell adam and eve they must not eat fruit
from the tree in the middle of the garden you were right i was wrong yep
we call it an apple tree today but we don't really know what kind of tree it was got it
so that's why i went with that one i was right everybody mark that down that my
husband also said that i was right it's hard to knock out you know years of
conditioning that it was an apple she ate the apple she ate the apple number four we got this one correct as
well all right of course they eat the forbidden fruit anyway what was eve's excuse when confronted by god the serpent deceived
me and i ate yep damn serpent damn serpent
dang we got number five correct as well wow god was angry when he found out adam and
eve had eaten the forbidden fruit and he drove them out of the garden of eden how did god make sure they would not return
and eat from the tree of life that was an easy one though he placed cherubim and a flaming sword to guard the way
excuse me how can you forget about a giant flaming sword guard in the entrance especially if you watch the show lucifer
i mean it was like the entire premise of one of the seasons is that they were trying to find the flaming sword so yeah
yeah you know uh oh we got number six wrong oh [ __ ] damn it
adam and eve had sons cain and abel each brother gave god an offering from the fruits of his labor god looked with
favor on abel's offering but not on cain's as a result kane became jealous and murdered his brother abel what was
cain's occupation i should have remembered because i made a joke at the time
how god was a vegan and liked all the fruits and veggies because he made all the stuff first and then i was like
and then you know and then i even said that kane must have been jealous of
abel because he got the sweet job the shepherd job yeah and i screwed that one up because yeah i thought about that
right after i answered it and i was like oh i might just mess that up we could have changed it you know
whatever we because it's not like we're bible prose right so we chose shepherd but the
correct answer was farmer got it number seven what was kane's punishment
for the murder of abel we got this one right yeah he was banned from his occupation and made a restless wanderer
on the earth yes we got number eight right awesome after many years the people of earth
became corrupt and full of violence of all the people on earth only noah and his family were righteous so god said to
noah i'm going to put an end to all people for the earth is filled with violence because of them noah had three
sons which one of these was not one of his sons enos i was right you were right
i didn't know that one at all oh we got number nine wrong oh [ __ ] god decided to flood the whole earth and
told noah to build an ark of wood to hold himself his wife his sons and their wives he was also to take a pair male
and female of each animal on the ark to save them from the flood and repopulate the earth how many decks
did the ark have the correct answer was three see i knew it was three or seven yeah yeah we should have went i don't
know if they even covered that they must have covered yeah it says that they covered it in genesis
chapter verses 14 through 22. got it it's just that we didn't care right he gives a
[ __ ] about how many decks are on there why why is that on that's like trivia that's not bible info that's bible
trivia right that doesn't prove that you we should go like you know we should go to like a
bible trivia night sometime and like you know we'll put our name down as like the atheists or something no we should put
our names down as sacrilegious discipline oh yeah well i mean that too yeah yeah like how much trivia do we
know right yeah well we've missed two out of ten so far yeah so not a lot right but we'd probably be
pretty good we would be average yeah maybe i'd say we'd be better than average okay i said if we read the whole bible
yeah we will be better than average okay okay i would think maybe i don't know number ten we got this one right
many men settled on a plane and shinar and said to each other come let's make
bricks and bake them thoroughly and let us build ourselves a city with a tower that reaches to the heavens so that we may make a name for ourselves so they
began constructing the tower of babel however god was not pleased with these arrogant men who wanted to build a tower
to heaven and be like gods themselves what did god do to punish them we knew this one before we even saw the
choices right he confused their language and scattered them over the face of the earth that's correct we got an 80
i mean that's not bad that's not bad it's not failing nope we did good
all right well now we're gonna go learn about uh nimrod because i'm really excited about this yep we are gonna go learn about nimrod let's go find out
about nimrod okay [Music]
okay are you ready for nimrod i am so ready for nimrod okay um i'm gonna read
from two separate sources the first of which is chabad.org
okay and i might be mispronouncing that um the reason that this matters is because this one is jewish history
and just in case you don't know my love um genesis is not just the first book of
the bible it's the first book in the pentateuch which is the first five books of the bible right and those five books
the pentateuch are also um the first part of the jewish bible you and i had talked about that at some
point not on the podcast but yeah right i just wanted to make sure you knew
that's why i'm reading from a jewish sure source okay like it actually matters right okay
so this is about nimrod and abraham who were two rivals
oh abe nimrod was rivals with abraham huh yeah i thought that was interesting
pretty interesting nimrod's humble heritage nimrod the mighty hunter was one of the sons of kush
wasn't abraham the guy that like wrestled somebody in the desert or something his hip touches i wonder if that was nimrod
could have been i don't know sorry we mentioned it at the time when right yeah like i kind of joked about it so yeah i
don't know okay sorry nimrod the mighty hunter was one of the sons of kush kush was born of i'm sorry kush was the son
of ham the lowest and least important of noah's three sons oh yeah nimrod came
from a line which was cursed by noah cursed be canaan a slave of slaves shall
he be under his brothers i remember that kind of do you remember why um wasn't oh cause they found them drunk
in the remember like they um they walked in on a naked drunk in his
tent or something like that and then i thought that the boys found noah drunk in his tent and naked yeah and then he
cursed his grandsons oh remember because he's a dick yeah and that was the yeah so that was
okay yeah that was that's from i forgot about that right okay so
i mean just by that story um ham is not necessarily a bad guy right
just he got cursed by noah the dick yeah among other dicks in the bible right
by birth nimrod had no right to be a king or ruler but he was a mighty strong
man and sly and tricky and a great hunter and trapper of men and animals
his followers grew in number and soon nimrod became the mighty king of babylon and his empire extended over other great
cities like where do they do they cite where they get this information i'm gonna read
on i don't know okay all right i don't know i'm just curious as was to be expected nimrod did not feel very secure
on his throne he feared that one day there would appear a descendant of noah's heir and successor shem
and would claim the throne he was determined to have no challenger some of shem's
descendants had already been forced to leave that land and build their own cities and empires there was only one
prominent member of the semitic family left in his country he was to torah the
son of nehor oh i remember all this stuff kind of kind of torah was the eighth generation removed
in a direct line of descendants from shem but nimrod had nothing to fear from
tarah his most loyal and trusted servant tara had long before betrayed his family
and had become a follower of nimrod all of his ancestors were still living including shem himself but tara left his
ancestral home and became attached to nimrod ta-ra who should have been a master and nimrod his slave became a
slave of nimrod like the other people in that country tara believed that nimrod received his
kingdom as a gift from the gods and was himself a god torah was prepared to
serve nimrod with all his heart indeed he proved himself a very loyal and useful servant
nimrod trusted entrusted into his hands the command of his armies and made torah
the highest minister in his land this is so interesting this was not in
the bible no definitely not tarraw was short of nothing but a wife so he found
himself a wife whose name was emma
i like that a math way okay they looked forward to raising a large family but they were not blessed with
any children the years flew by and to raw still had no sun his father was only
29 years old when he torah was born but torah was getting closer to 70 than to
30 and yet there was no sun he prayed to nimrod and to his idols to bless him with a son but his prayers
were not answered little did he know that nimrod felt happy about tara's misfortune
for although nimrod had nothing to fear from torah he could not be sure if torah's sons would be as loyal to him as
their father therefore he was inwardly very pleased that his servant torah had no children and would probably never
have any but he could but he could not be sure and nimrod was not taking chances
he ordered his stargazers and astrologers to watch the sky for any sign of the appearance of a possible
rival got it the rise of abraham one night the
stargazers noticed a new star rising in the east every night it grew brighter they informed nimrod nimrod called
together as magicians and astrologers they all agreed that it meant that a new baby was to be born who might challenge
nimrod's power oh no it was decided that in order to prevent this all newborn
baby boys would have to die starting from the king's own palace down to the humblest slaves hut jeez and who is to
be put in charge of this important task why torah of course the king's most trusted servant torah sent out his men
to round up all expectant mothers the king's palace was turned into a gigantic maternity ward a lucky mother gave birth
to a girl and then they were both sent home laid him with gifts but if the boy happened to be a baby he was put to
death without mercy you know the baby happened to be a boy that's what i said isn't it no you said
if the boy happened to be a baby oh wow that's so dyslexic wow i do that like all the time i just
switch words for no reason one night nimrod stargazers watching
that new star saw it grow ever oh my god i'm having so many problems
one night nimrod's stargazers watching that new star saw it grow very bright
and suddenly dart across the sky first in one direction then in another west east north and south swallowing up
all the other stars in its path holy [ __ ] that sounds like [ __ ] like aliens aliens yeah like what's going on
here i don't know nimrod was with his stargazers on the roof of his palace and saw the strange
display in the sky with his own eyes what is the meaning of this he demanded there can only be one explanation a son
was born tonight who would challenge the king's power and the father is none other than to raw i mean i was going
with aliens personally yeah i don't know where they pulled that from their ass like
it's so random right to raw nimrod roared my own trusted servant what
nimrod's rage nimrod had never given a thought to torah as becoming a father at the age of
70 however if he did become a father he would surely be glad to offer his firstborn son to his king and god nimrod
dispatched a messenger to torah at once ordering him to appear together with his newly born son
that night to ra and his wife emmathlet emma slay i forgot what did i say i
don't remember i'm going to call her amy that night taran and his wife amy had
indeed become the happy parents of a baby boy who brought a great light and radiance into their home to raw had
hoped it would be a girl and he would have no terrible decision to make now he could not think of giving up this lovely
baby born to him at his old age after such longing he had managed to keep his wife expectancy a
secret none of his servants knew about the birth of his son there was a secret passage leading from his palace to a
cave in the field he took the baby to that cave and left it there as he was returning to the palace past the
servant's quarters he suddenly heard the cry of a baby what good fortune tara cried it so happened that one of his
servants had given birth to a boy about the same time as his own son was born i
see where this was going took the baby and put him in silk swaddling and handed him to his wife to
nurse just then the king's messenger arrived yeah whew they're just going to kill this baby right cool
when to raw with the baby in his arms appeared before nimrod torah declared i was just about to bring my son to you
when your messenger came nimrod thought it was mighty loyal of torah to give up his only son born to
him in his old age little did he know that it was not to ra's son who was brought to die but as servants
abraham emerges for three years little abraham remained in the cave where he did not know day
from night then he came out of the cave and saw the bright sun in the sky and thought that it was god who had created
the heaven and the earth and him too but in the evening the sun went down and the moon rose in the sky surrounded by
myriads of stars this must be god abraham decided but the moon too disappeared and the sun
reappeared and abraham decided that there must be a god who rules over the sun and the moon and the stars and the
whole world and so from the age of three years and on abraham knew that there was
only one god and he was resolved to pray to him and worship him alone a life full
of many and great adventures began for abraham some of which we have already related to you in our talks of past
years when he was born he was actually abram though yeah right i mean am i i'm right there right
no you are you're right got renamed to abraham yeah later yeah and then didn't he get renamed again to israel or was
that jacob oh i think that was jacob okay i could be wrong though i don't know there's so much renaming i can't
remember who got renamed what exactly but i know he at least got renamed to abraham after he was abram
so that's the end of that little section i just thought that was really interesting yeah and
so yeah i think it was maybe um nimrod that it challenged abraham later it seems like
it i mean like that that makes a little bit that could make sense yeah and i'm sure there's more history there but i
don't know you know yeah like where you would even go to find some of this stuff so right but well then there is
um more i found a different thing on um christiananswers.net
and this talks about nimrod as um gilgamesh which i found very interesting
because you know gilgamesh is um from literature okay so
let's see la la la la i have to scroll down because the print is so small and
they have all these pictures that i don't care about you know what could have helped with this uh
informational thing well that or if you like prepped and like took notes on stuff i didn't want to
i just wanted to read it because it's so interesting right okay why i like i started to take notes and
then i realized i was just copy pasting and so i was like i'll just send myself the links gotcha so well i was thinking
like you know more bullet points and stuff than no this is interesting stuff
aren't you interested i am i am i guess i was hoping for more like hunting and
like you know well i'm sorry for you nimrod's kind of boring-ish a little bit i thought these
were interesting stories and i did these to make you happy because you were so interested in him i know it's just that
it turns out he's a bad guy and so now you're mad no i just nimrod i i just wanted nimrod to be awesome he's an
awesome bad guy okay nimrod was a very significant man in ancient times the grandson of ham and
great-grandson of noah nimrod started his kingdom at babylon babylon later
reached at zenith under nebuchadnezzar oh yeah yeah the only reason that i know that
name is because it was the name of the ship and um the matrix yeah that's the first time i
ever heard that name and then when i found out it was from the bible i was like
okay this was also part of nimrod's kingdom
nineveh along the tigris river continued to be a major city in ancient assyria
okay we don't care about that okay often attributed to nimrod the tower of
babel was not a jack in the beanstalk type of construction where people were trying to build a structure to get into
heaven instead it is best understood as an ancient ziggurat
do you know what a ziggurat is no i do not i learned about these in fifth grade from mr wilkins
and i remember him and it was interesting the end so why don't you inform us ziggurat was a man-made
structure with a temple at its top built to worship the host of heaven okay
so it wasn't like upset obscenely tall it was just a structure with the temple at the top
yeah it was kind of like a flat top pyramid okay
so okay nimrod revealed the bible states kush was the father of nimrod who grew to be a mighty warrior on the earth he
was a mighty hunter before the lord that is why it is said like nimrod a mighty hunter before the lord the centers of
the kingdom were babylon iraq akad and kauna and shinar many consider this to
be a positive complementary testimony about nimrod but in fact it's just the
opposite first a little background study is necessary okay cultural connections
in the ancient near east besides the stories of the creation and flood in the bible there ought to be similar
stories on clay tablets found in the cultures near and around the true believers
so that was poorly phrased but what they're saying is there's all these clay tablets that have all these stories that
are not included in the bible but should be gotcha these tablets have a reaction
or twisted version in their accounts of the creation and flood in the post-flood genealogical records of genesis 10 we
notice that the sons of we note that the sons of ham were kush mizram put and
kanan now mizram became the egyptians no one is sure where put went to live and
it's obvious who the canaanites were so you know canaan became the canaanites right
kush lived in the land of shinar which most scholars consider to be sumer
there developed the first civilization after the flood the sons of shem the semites were also
mixed to some extent with the sumerians we suggest that sumerian kish the first
city established in mesopotamia after the flood took its name from the man known in the bible as cush
the first kingdom established after the flood was kish and the name kish appears often on clay tablets the early
post-flood sumerian king lists let me say that again the early
post-flood sumerian kings list which is not found in the bible but is found on the clay tablets say that kingship
descended from heaven to kish after the flood the hebrew name cush much later was moved to present-day ethiopia isn't
that interesting the sumerians very early developed a religiou political state which was
extremely binding on all who lived in it except for the rulers who were a allah unto themselves this system was to
influence the ancient near east for over 3000 years other cultures which followed the
sumerian system were akad babylon assyria and persian and persia which
became the basis of greece and rome's system of rule founded by kush the sumerians were very
important historically and biblically was nimrod godly or evil okay this is
where we start getting into some really cool stuff okay first what does the name nimrod mean it
comes from the hebrew verb murad meaning rebel adding an n before the m it
becomes an infinitive construct nimrod the meaning then is the rebel not just
rebel but the rebel right thus nimrod may not be the character's
name at all it is more likely a derisive type term of a type a representative of
a system that is epitomized in rebellion against the
creator the one true god so nimrod is more like a title than
like his name like doctor got it rebellion began soon after the flood as
civilian civilizations were restored at that time this person became very prominent
in genesis chapter 10 we learned that nimrod established a kingdom therefore one would expect to find also in the
literature of the ancient near east a person who was a type or example for other people to follow and there was it
is a well-known tale common in sumerian literature of a man who fits this description in addition to the sumerians
the babylonians wrote about this person the assyrians likewise and the hittites even in israel tablets have been found
with this man's name on them he was obviously the most popular hero in the ancient near east interesting gilgamesh
the person we are referring to found in extra biblical literature was gilgamesh the first play tablets naming him were
found among the ruins of the temple library of the god naboo and the palace
library in nineveh many others have been found since in a number of excavations
the author of the best treatise on the gilgamesh epic says the date of the composition of the
gilgamesh epic can therefore be fixed at about 2000 bc but the material contained
on these tablets is undoubtedly much older as we can infer from the mere fact that the epic consists of numerous
originally independent episodes which of course did not spring into existence at the time of the composition of our poem
but must have been current long before they were compiled and woven together to
form our epic because you know the epic of gilgamesh is a long poem right did you know that i vaguely knew that you
didn't know that i vaguely knew that you you either know something or not you that's are you vaguely pregnant
i mean i'm definitely not vaguely pregnant so it's a definitive did you know it or didn't you you didn't know it
whatever continue yet his arrogance ruthlessness and depravity were a subject of grave
concern for the citizens of yurak his kingdom they complained to the great god
anu and anu con instructed the goddess aruru to create another wild ox a double of
gilgamesh who would challenge him and distract his mind from the warrior's daughter and her nobleman's spouse whom
it appears he would not leave in peace the epic of gilgamesh has some very indecent sections
alexander heidel the first translator of the epic had the decency to translate the vilest parts into latin
spicer however gave it to us straight so anyway
there is a myth that says of gilgamesh that he was two-thirds god and one-third man
so gilgamesh as nimrod how does gilgamesh compare with nimrod ancient
historian josephus says of nimrod now it was nimrod who excited them to such an
affront and contempt of god he was the grandson of ham the son of noah a bold
man and of great strength of hand he persuaded them not to ascribe it to god
as if it were through his means they were happy but to believe that it was his own
courage which procured that happiness he also gradually changed the government into tyranny seeing no other way of
turning men from the fear of god but to bring them into a constant dependence upon his own power
he also said that he would be revenged on god if he should have a mind to drown the world again for that he would build
a tower too high for the waters to be able to reach and that he would avenge himself on god for destroying their
forefathers i remember we talked about that at the time when we were going through that in the bible and like how does god let him get away with
this not like kill him right i mean he killed her it's like yeah dead dead
it's like he doesn't always follow up right it's very willy-nilly it's mood-based
mood-based stop coughing sorry since this is going on for a long time okay
okay here is a comparison okay um wait hold on let me scroll down
whatever okay so anyways they they both did a lot of
things that were similar so um okay wait here it is here's the list
there are still other parallels between the bible and the gilgamesh epic so okay i don't know if you know this
but um yahweh is another name for god right we talked about that in another episode
yeah yahweh has a somewhat similar sound to which is
from the yogamesh epic gilgamesh did just as the sons of god in genesis chapter 6 did the
sons of god forcibly took men's wives and the epic says that is precisely what gilgamesh did
the bible calls nimrod a tyrant and gilgamesh was a tyrant there was a flood in the bible and there is a flood in the
epic of gilgamesh cush is mentioned in the bible kish in the epic
a wreck is mentioned in scripture yurek was gilgamesh's city gilgamesh made a
trip to see the survivor of the flood this was more likely ham than noah since
nimrod was ham's grandson right historically gilgamesh was the first irony dynasty of iraq
as jacobson points out blah blah blah research etc kings before gilgamesh may
be fictional but not likely the fact that the gilgamesh epic also contains
the deluge story would indicate a close link with events immediately following the flood
a few years ago one would have strongly doubted his historical existence we now
have the certitude that the time of gilgamesh corresponds to the earliest period of mesopotamian history
so there we go yoga mesh was very likely nimrod and nimrod was not
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